View topic - Minor changes to the progression chart

I have added Yogg-Saron+1 to hard modes and changed the values of Freya+3 and Vezax.

Additionally I'm considering adding two more, namely Freya+2, Yogg+2 (and maybe even Yogg+3). Their difficulty is on par or higher than some of the other hard modes in there and they're definitely a progression point.

Thoughts?

It shouldnt be a major difference in terms of points but as for me, i agree it should be done as guilds deserve some merit between doing yogg+4 and yogg+3 for instance.
Yogg+4 is easy, yogg +3 is ok, yogg+2 is a challenge, yogg+1 is hard, yogg+0 is lazerbeams.

now just replace those names with appropriate values! Same goes to Freya.

Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 3

I belive it's a great idé. Tbh any way of doing a boss that is a "work in progress" against the hardest mode you can do should be on the list.

Yogg is the perfect example +3 +2 +1 +0 etc all the way from one "harder mode" to the hardest avaible. and maybe ass Iron council with the Runemaster as a "middle hard" mode? as it is harder than the dwarf last and it also drop the disc.

Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 381 Location: Sweden - Luleå

lame... only add yogg+1 for the heroic part, freya+2 and other stuff aint worth it.

Don't change anything for the 10man chart everything in there is easy anyway...

Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 483

While Sundet is a total nub he does raise half a point.

Only the ones that reward something extra(title/loot) should be considered hardmodes. As examples:

Freya + 0 = normal mode
Freya + 3 = hard mode (extra loot)
Freya + 1/2 = harder but not hardmode...these are merely stepping stones towards the hard mode goal so the learning curve isn't too steep going from Freya normal to hardmode

Yogg-Saron + 4 = normal mode
Yogg-Saron + 1 = this could be considered as a hardmode since you have the extra rewards and is counted towards the meta
Yogg-Saron + 0 = this is really an epeen achievement and yes it should have a hardmode+ rank or something
Yogg-Saron + 2/3 = again stepping stones so the learning curve isn't too steep for everybody

You can elaborate on these to split hairs if you want but the original design is pretty much what I've said.

PS: You can give Yogg-Saron + 0 a ranking like: 'Nutcracker Hardmode'

Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 3

It's a "Progression" chart, so if it drops Hard mode loot or not is irrelevent. And saying some modes are to easy to be on there is just being ignorant.

All in all.. the more modes you add the more correct the list will be. Unless we want it to be a "e-peen" list where only the higher guilds will be seen on their progress while the "lower" guilds won't even be able to show the tiny progress they've actually made.

/Key

Im sure Kalroth has better things todo then redesigning half the chart.

Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 381 Location: Sweden - Luleå

If i were to choose i wouldn't show the easy mode kills to begin with... The whole reason for this chart is to check how your progression is compared to other guilds aka Epeenis. Could just remove the easier bosses from the chart completely i don't care about bosses that any scrub guild or pug can kill.